Via Lew Rockwell, TPM reports:
Oil seeps are fairly common around the world both underwater and aboveground. Oil seeps occur when enough cracks and fissures form above a reservoir to enable a small quantity of oil to escape naturally. The La Brea Tar Pits in Los Angeles (pictured below) are a large terrestrial oil seep, and oil seeps have long been used to help identify submarine oil reserves. Oil seeps are prevalent in many bodies of water, and the Gulf of Mexico is no exception.
Oil seeps are more common than you think, both on land and underwater.
A satellite survey published in January of 2000 counted at least 600 natural oil seeps within the Gulf. And they release a lot of oil.
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A 2003 National Academies study estimated that about 980,000 barrels of oil, or about 41 million gallons, seep into the Gulf – every year. Recall that the Exxon Valdez is estimated to have spilled about 250,000 barrels.
So approximately four Exxon Valdezes naturally seep into the Gulf each year. The hysteria manufactured over the recent spill, or anything else for that matter, is designed to provide an excuse for more government intervention.
As Lew Rockwell points out: “Oil is natural, organic, and biodegradable”.
Whoa! That’s the craziest post I’ve seen all year! Congratulations!
> So approximately four Exxon Valdezes
> naturally seep into the Gulf each year.
If that were true, where was all the oil washing up on beaches, in the wetlands, and on the wildlife prior to the BP debacle?
> As Lew Rockwell points out: “Oil is natural, organic, and biodegradable”.
If that is true, why did the clean-up crew for the Exxon Valdez suffer myriad long-term health problems?
http://www.lvrj.com/news/exxon-valdez-oil-risks-spur-warning-for-gulf-cleanup-crews-93258964.html
Try reading the article. The seeps occur much slower.
> Try reading the article. The seeps occur much slower
Slow or fast, four exxon valdez worth of oil will wash up on the beaches, kill all the oysters & shrimp. That did not happen year after year.
Did ALL the oysters and shrimp die? OMG! The world is ending!
Yes! The truth is crazy! And scaaarrrryyyy!!! Run for your life!
Now I see that your misunderstandings stretch well beyond cultural and social theory, into science and who knows where else.
Pig feces is organic, natural and biodegradable, and yet it’s singularly responsible for poisoining several states.
Similarly, uranium is natural and biodegradable, but if a meteorite were to spread 4 tonnes of it over a few miles of urbananity, the death would be catastrophic.
Me thinks you know far less than you think you do.
I’ll be removing your blog from my RSS reader now, but I encourage you to take steps to resolve your misunderstandings.
khephra – so all you have is ad hominem bullshit? You can’t refute what these scientists are saying?
Uhhh… Because the claims aren’t worth refuting, perhaps? Anyone who suggests that tens of millions of gallons of crude oil is ‘harmless’ for marine ecosystems isn’t worth refuting.
But feel free to try it for yourself: grab a quart of oil, add it to your bathwater and see what happens.
As a professional educator and researcher I’m interested in resolving misunderstandings, but I don’t have the time necessary for resolving lower-order issues like this.
khephra – the ratio of water in the gulf vs the amount of oil spilled and the ratio of water in your bathtub vs a quart of oil is WAYYYYY different. As a “professional educator and researcher” I would expect you to know this. The gulf “contains a volume of 2,434,000 cubic kilometers of water (6.43 * 1017 or 643 quadrillion gallons)”
Nice try though.
Okay, why don’t I give it a try:
I would think there is a big, big difference between a myriad of tiny seepage points scattered all over the gulf, and one huge gusher in one place. My understanding is that bacteria present in seawater do indeed have the ability to biodegrade a certain amount of oil, but that the concern in the present situation is that this threshold is being overtaken by large volumes of oil being released in one place.
I don’t know if Kephra didn’t address this because she didn’t think it through, or because it’s so bleeding obvious. Although I guess it’s not if all you’re concerned about is being an apologist for the oil industry and branding anyone with ecological concerns as a big fat pussy.
Your reply to Alobar is particularly hilarious:
“Try reading the article. The seeps occur much slower.”
Indeed they do. But this ‘seep’ is a big fucking gusher that has already destroyed a significant stretch of marshland. By the time this is over, New Orleans, which is at present over 50 miles from open water, could wind up being right on the coast, where a stiff breeze (never mind a hurricaine) could flood us out for good.
That, along with the loss of livelyhood that has already occurred for the tens of thousands of people who make a direct living from the fisheries here, are not speculative in any way. They are events which have occurred, and will occurr, if somebody doesn’t accept accountability for this collosal screw up and spend the money, time and effort to make it right. Your argument is nonsensical and a distraction. A six year old could pick holes in it.
John – no one is saying the spill isn’t more abrupt than the HUGE amount of oil that seeps naturally. No one is saying the spill is a good thing either.
You are hysterical.
“So approximately four Exxon Valdezes naturally seep into the Gulf each year. The hysteria manufactured over the recent spill, or anything else for that matter, is designed to provide an excuse for more government intervention. ”
You need to be fitted for a tin-foil hat.
And no you didn’t actually say “this is no big deal,’ it’s true. You’re just saying anybody who THINKS it’s a big deal is ‘hysterical.’
Nice try, but Nixon did Plausible Deniability much better.
The end result will be more government intervention. Tin-foil hat or not. The existing government regulation did nothing to prevent this, more won’t solve a thing.
Yes, you too are hysterical.
You know, I’d be willing to accept this as a simple difference of opinion if you didn’t indulge in the rankest form of intellectual cowardice on the internet, namely removing comments that make you look bad. Here, again, is the quote from the TPM article YOU LINKED TO that refutes your own argument:
“The question we are trying to answer here is, “how are oil seeps different from oil spills?” Oil seeps occur constantly, throughout the Gulf. Although they do release a lot of oil together over time, their individual spill rates are far, far lower than the Deepwater Horizon gusher. What’s more, these much smaller seeps are dispersed around the Gulf, so each seep’s oil can be degraded quickly.
That is not what happens in an oil spill. It is true that the amount of oil that has spilled from this gusher so far is less than the ANNUAL AGGREGATE of all 600+ seeps in the Gulf. But it’s all coming out at the same time, in the same place. The water in one location can only degrade so much oil at one time; an oil spill goes far beyond overwhelming the ocean’s natural oil-coping mechanisms”
I’m assuming you didn’t bother to read all the way down and just went with the top half of the article, which (seemingly) supports your hare-brained assertion that this is “no big deal.” That in itself makes you intellectually lazy. Shit-canning the evidence of said intellectual laziness makes you the worst kind of punk.
Fail.
John – no one is saying the spill isn’t more abrupt than the HUGE amount of oil that seeps naturally. No one is saying the spill is a good thing either.
You are hysterical.
Saying “you are hysterical” over and over again is not an argument, unless you’re 8 years old.
No, you’re not saying the spill is a ‘good thing.’ You ARE saying that the ‘hysteria,” which you assert is being “manufactured” over this event, is merely an excuse for”more government intervention.”
First of all, what government intervention? So far BBP has been allowed to run the entire show, and so far they’ve proven themselves monumentally incompetent and quite possibly criminally liable. Even the libertarians I know here in New Orleans aren’t averse to “government intervention” in this case since they don’t regard their libertarian principles as a suicide pact. There has been no, repeat no evidence so far that ‘private business’ is either willing or capable of fixing this mess. The ‘free market’ is not going to give us all an oil-sucking pony, no matter how loudly we clap our hands.
Second of all, regardless of how much you’d like to minimize the effects of this, the facts don’t bear you out. Your own links don’t bear you out, not if you read them all the way through. This is an ecological catastrophe of monumental proportions, with long reaching effects that in some cases are simply unknowable at this point. Lives have and will be lost. Livelyhoods have and will be lost. Millions of people will be aversely affected in ways great and small. That’s not ‘hysteria,’ that’s a reasonable assessment of a dire situation that gets worse every day. I’m sorry if it doesn’t fit your dinky little self-involved Randian narrative, but it is what it is.
Now you’re learning… finally.
Glad some others have found the faults running right through disinter’s blog here. He and his fellow-travellers have been pushing for fewer restrictions on offshore drilling – including Alaska. Check out Ron Paul’s views – and let’s see him try making them on the American south-coast now?
Now the shit has hit the fan, where’s the famous conservative ethic of responsibility gone?
Oh yes, disinter starts fingerpointing at “government regulation” – which he admits was ineffective anyway! What little regulation there was ineffective – so let’s abolish all regulation, he says!! Alice in Wonderland? If minimal regulation led to this problem, what will happen with even less regulation but greatly expanded scale of drilling? It doesn’t take Einstein to work out, does it? Recognition of the tragedy of this disaster – and its disastrous consequences – disinter criticises as “hysteria”. Frankly I find even attempting to properly cost the damage a sick joke. How can you put a value on that wildlife and ecology? Even if money were no object – and that’s a very big if – it would be a tragedy.
Incidentally, disinter appears to believe oil is abiogenic in orgin – it’s produced by the earth, naturally. Why disinter believes this as opposed to the myriad sciertists and chemists and geologists who think differently is unclear. Oh yes – because disinter is so ideological, that’s right……..and the facts have to fit his view (not the other way around)
I’d also like to draw attention to disinter’s recent anti-semitism: disinter used the words of a known Member of British Fascists as evidence to support silly and crude claims that “jews have used their religion through the ages to enslave mankind” etc.
It’s actually no surprise to see such obvious anti-semitism amongst disinter’s conspiracism. The two go together very well, most infamously under Hitler’s Nazism, of course, which used a world jewish conspiracy as probably its primary unifying and motivating myth.
But disinter and his fellow conspiracists are “better than that”?
Are they?
Meanwhile, the “regulation” you idiots are begging for has passed the house:
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/US_House_votes_quadrupling_of_per_b_05282010.html
YOU will be paying for the spill, not BP. You ask for fascism, you get it.
Too funny.
Leaving aside for a moment your hilariously over the top description of a 34 cent per barrell surtax on oil as”fascism” (why, one might even call it…hysterical.^^) I, personally, am not ‘asking’ for ‘fascism.’ I’m asking for accountability, something libertarians and neo-conservatives seem to think is just fine for the poor and the powerless, but when it’s the wealthy, the well connected and the corporate, well…accidents happen.
I really don’t see what’s so complicated about this. The facts are there, with more coming in every day; BP has been very consistant in the areas of incompetence, blind self-interest, and dissembling (here in the 6th ward, we use the word “lying’). If the extent of this catastrophe affected only BP and it’s shareholders I’d be delighted to let the whole mess play out on it’s own, laughing all the way. Unforunately this private company has effected a very public disaster, one that has already had immediate and dire effects on the Gulf Coast and will eventually spread much wider than that. They need to fix what they broke, and they show no signs of doing that voluntarily.
As for the public getting stuck with the tab, I’ve been saying that since day one. Where my opinion differs from yours is, I don’t buy into the sinister-government-takeover trope. We get stuck paying for these things because our democracy has been highjacked by big usiness and turned into a corporate kleptocracy. It’s your beloved ‘free market’ that’s doing this, not any shadowy gubmint conspiracy.
Umm, dumbass, that is what fascism is:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7260.htm
You asked for it, and you’re getting it. Even though you are clueless as to what just happened. This is hilarious.
Actually, as a historian and social studies teacher, I disagree: that is *not* what fascism is. Fascism, as I understand it, entails several social and economic dispositions which include intense nationalism – popularly engaged through imperialistic militarism – and autocracy. In the modern US, “nationalism” has its advocates among Tea Partiers and constitutionalists, but they are obviously not the ones running the show. And although the US has been engaged in rampant militarism throughout the 20th century, they have done so largely *without* public support. Fascism, as it was envisioned by its founders (Mussolini, Franco, et al), drew on the popular angst of the people. The modern US acts in direct contradiction of the angst of the people. And, finally, to suggest that we have anything close to autocracy skirts … hysteria.
I think the gaps in your understanding are so substantive as to make you a part of the problem, not the solution.
khephra – you really need to resign your various research and teacher positions. Who knows what you will claim to be tomorrow.
“Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” – Benito Mussolini
“The early twentieth century Italians, who invented the word fascism, also had a more descriptive term for the concept — estato corporativo: the corporatist state. Unfortunately for Americans, we have come to equate fascism with its symptoms, not with its structure. The structure of fascism is corporatism, or the corporate state. The structure of fascism is the union, marriage, merger or fusion of corporate economic power with governmental power. Failing to understand fascism, as the consolidation of corporate economic and governmental power in the hands of a few, is to completely misunderstand what fascism is. It is the consolidation of this power that produces the demagogues and regimes we understand as fascist ones. ”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7260.htm
Yup. I wear a lot of hats.
You asked for it, and you’re getting it. Even though you are clueless as to what just happened. This is hilarious.
No, it’s really quite sad. While you’re wwasting your time tilting at windmills and getting hysterical over imagined one-world-government conspiracies, your precious free maket/private property types are taking a huge shit all over the Gulf of Mexico and not one of the bastards is ever going to be held accountable for it.
Frankly, I couldn’t care less about your abstract dorm-room Libertarian bull session nonsense, it has no known applications regarding how the real world and human societies actually work. It’s the political and ideological equivalent of Esperanto, fine in theory, unworkable in practise.
What I DO find interesting though, is how you completely overlook the people who are getting screwed here, and waste all kinds of effort defending those who are doing the screwing. “The government” hasn’t fecklessly released a goddam death cloud into the Gulf. British Petroleum has. And so far, they’ve shown neither the ability nor the inclination to make right on the mess they’ve made, and that seems to be just fine with you.
Exactly. That is how fascism works. So keep begging for your abstract dorm-room fascist bull session nonsense, and you will keep getting it.
I do not defend the government. I am not defending BP either.
Yes, thanks to the fascism you advocate they won’t have to either. The taxpayer will. Isn’t your socialist dream great?
disinter – you have no idea of what fascism is, as I have stated before, and which kephra has restated.
Your quote from Mussolini (actually penned by Gentile I think) misunderstands what corporatism meant to Italians and fascists at the time — it did not refer to corporatism in the way you understand it.
Ignorantly condemning people for their “fascism” without knowing what it means is counter-productive, and actually serves only to obscure fascism and to allow its genuine adherents to escape identification and condemnation. You and your conspiracist friends are part of the problem.
Fascism is *not* characterised as “the rich ripping off the poor through a blend of state and private interests”. Such descriptions could apply to almost any and all states in existence since the modern state was formed. For example – the post-war British government of 1945, Thatcher’s government of 1979, Roosevelt’s New Deal, Reagan’s monetarism, etc etc etc. To describe them all as “fascist” is reducing the term to meaningless.
Fascism is considered essentially as “palingenetic ultranationalist populism” – Roger Griffin. See here, for example:
http://ah.brookes.ac.uk/resources/griffin/coreoffascism.pdf
palingenetic – as in “rebirth, like a phoenix” — of a country – a reinstatement of the golden age — taking us back to those times, you know, before the joooo wrecked everything, right? Just like you were suggesting in your earlier anti-semitic article, right?
You’re an American, anti-socialist, anti-semitic nationalist…..and yet you’re the one shouting warnings of fascism?
You do *not* appear to stand against fascism – you’re a paid-up member of WhatReallyHappened for example, somewhere that promotes many strands of GENUINE, ORGANISED FASCISM. Rather, you are anti-socialist, and anti-liberal democracy – a position you share with fascism, funnily enough, eh?
You pose as someone in support of the public, yet you condemn every move by the public to assert any control by your condemnation of any and all state activity (excepting border patrol, police harassment of ‘illegals’ etc, of course…..)
As an illustration, let’s ask this: as you are a fully paid-up member of Rivero’s WRH – and in light of your own publication of anti-semitism — what do you say about Rivero’s publication of “TheNewSturmer”‘s claims that Joooos were responsible for the slave trade? Is this the sort of thing you are happy to financially compensate and support?
You know “DerSturmer” was the name of the Nazi tabloid responsible for the most gross anti-semitic caricatures, cartoons, fabrications and lies in support of Nazism?
So what do you think of your financial support going to help promote “the new Sturmer” and its claims of Joooo responsibility for the slavetrade? How do you justify it, disinter?
Re. fascism as ‘palingenetic ultranationalist populism’: That seems like the most incisive and consise descriptions of fascism I’ve yet to come across. Thank you for sharing it. I think I’ll adopt it for use the next time I teach WWII.
That said, in full disclosure, i’m also a paid member at WRH. I purchased the account so I would have easier dissemination of content I produced. WRH, however, is just one of several indexes that have carried my articles, and I must admit that I don’t necessarily agree with the politics of several of them. In fact, I recently mentioned this dissonance [ which applies to Disinter too ] here: (http://sophrosyne.radical.r30.net/wordpress/?p=5757)
Do you blog? Having removed Disinter from my RSS reader, there’s room. ;)
OMG Khephra is an anti-semite!!!!! She (or it) supports WRH so the only conclusion is that she is, indeed, a confirmed anti-semite.
Case closed.
Fascism is a political ideology whose mythic core in its various permutations is a palingenetic form of populist ultra-nationalism.
As the subsequent ‘unpacking’ of the sentence made clear, the claim made in this ideal type was that the ideological driving force of fascism which informs all its empirical manifestations (organization, style, policies, behaviour, ethics, aesthetics etc.) and determines its relationship with existing political, social and cultural realities, including rival ideologies, is the vision of the nation being capable of imminent phoenix-like rebirth from the prevailing crisis and decadence in a revolutionary new political and cultural order embracing all the ‘true’ members of the national community.
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Under such a view of fascism, you and your fellow-travellers aren’t so very far away, eh, disinter?
You are not anti-fascist……you’re anti-socialist…..and anti liberal-democracy too.
Just for you, disinter:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism#Fascist_corporatism
someonesomewhere – nice tries. No cigar.
“In the view of Mussolini, the concept of corporatism should have been number one on the list and should have been more aptly titled the “Merger of Corporate Power and State Power.” Even Britt failed to see the merger of corporate and state power as the primary cause of most of these other characteristics. It is only when one begins to view fascism as the merger of corporate power and state power that it is easy to see how most of the other thirteen characteristics Britt describes are produced. Seen this way, these other characteristics no longer become disjointed abstractions. Cause and effect is evident. ”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7260.htm
The 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4113.htm
The 14 defining characteristics of fascism also defines the Republican party.
Now your learnin….
You think that counts as a rebuttal?
For one thing, I am Eurpoean, and I have photos from my grandfather depicting Mussolini hanging in public and others of him lying on the floor with a bullet in his head.
Following your argument, I should be able to recognise fascism, so I don’t see how your first article contradicts me.
On your first article, i note it says:
Number three on Britt’s list is the identification of scapegoats or enemies as a unifying cause.
That’s something you do with your promotion of anti-semitism btw.
Often the government itself becomes the scapegoat when the government is the regulator of the corporations. Often it is lawyers or administrators who take on the corporations. Often it is liberals who champion the rights of individuals, or terrorists who might threaten state stability or corporate profit. Any or all may become scapegoats for the state’s problems because they pose problems for corporations.
Again, this is something you do – casting (popular) state-action designed to limit the power of corporations as “an attack on liberty”.
Your own (iffy) source for a definition of fascism better describes yourself than those you accuse.
Didn’t you notice?
And did you also fail to notice how your first article almost completely dismisses “nationalism” as a characteristic of fascism?
Fascism is certainly nationalist and you’re an american nationalist, aren’t you? At least you subscribe your hard-earned cash over to Mike Rivero whom certainly IS a nationalist and whom promotes american (ultra)nationalism (along with anti-semitism, holocaust denial, nazi-apologism etc) So you financially support it, even if you renounce nationalism yourself – which you haven’t done.
But anyway, your first link fails to understand corporatism as it was meant in the famous Mussolini quote.
It also makes the mistake of taking Mussolini at his word……in reality, il Duce tried to destroy ‘his’ book about fascism. So hardly a rebuttal at all………
Indeed, your first article finishes in complete opposition to your own view:
Left unchecked, the huge economic power of corporations corrupts absolutely. Most of the checks are badly eroded. Is there still time to get the checks back in balance?
You are against state regulation – thereby indicted by your own article. Is your article accurate or not? The writer worthy of note, or not?
Your second article gives as NUMBER 1 caharcteristic of fascism:
1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism.
And the definition I gave was wrong!? My definition said it was to be considered, at core, “pallingenetic populist ultranationalism”.
Did you miss that?
And did you miss that your own definition completely omits the nationalism which your latest definition presents as central?
It is *your* definition which is lacking, disinter. You completely ignore nationalism.
Likewise, your second article also gives us this as the third characteristic of fascism:
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause.
Again – this is what you are guilty of in your exploitation of (and financial support for) anti-semitism.
Yet it is completely absent from your own definition of fascism.
Well, no surprise you can’t accurately spot the real thing – your definition is wholly inadequate. But just as you’re obviously incapable of properly defining fascism, you’re obviously incapable at recognising it in yourself – how could you recognise it in yourself if your own definition was so wrong?
Oh, and here’s another characteristic, taken from your own source:
9. Power of corporations protected.
excuse me, but does disinter support regulation of corporations??? ……errrr…..NO!
10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated.
Is disinter a Union-man? Hardly. Unions means…. err ….socialism, right? Not exactly disinter’s cup-o-tea, is it?
“When facism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the American flag.” – Huey Long
Nationalism he says – not corporatocracy. OK?
disinter – you support Mike Rivero with money – and Mike Rivero likes to say “America needs politicians who serve America, first, second, and third!” Mix Rivero’s nationalism, anti-semitism and anti-socialism – which you pay him to do – and we are fulfilling some of the key characteristics of fascism. Note that this is completely contrary to your supposed position of opposing fascism and its defining characteristics.
You also make next to no effort to argue your case. You think these crappy rebuttals suffice?
For example : Justify your anti-semitism? Why do you refuse to justify it even as you pay Rivero to promote more of it?
disinter: “I do not defend the government. I am not defending BP either.”
Clarify?
Nobody said you were defending the government – on the contrary, it seems obvious you are attacking the whole idea of the state and government and its legitimacy in regulating corporations. You would like the state abolished, or at least minimised til it disappeared.
So, when you then claim to be “not defending BP” you are being disingenuous – by attacking the state’s right to regulate BP you are in deed defending BP….or at least some other entity not dissimilar to BP ie a capitalist, private, profit-making undertaking.
What is your position on corporations, btw, mr laissez faire?
No shit!
My god I don’t think you could get any dumber. That has to be the most illogical conclusion yet. Expected, though.
They are one in the same. This, again, is what fascism is. This is what you are so passionately in favor of, then against at the same time – although you can’t figure it out.
They are entities of the state.
See – again you offer practically zero in response.
So corporations are “entities of the state”? How so? Come on – why does everything have to be dragged out of you like blood from a stone? Make your case?
AND NOTE _ YOU HAVE NOT EVEN ATTEMPTED TO JUSTIFY YOUR FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR PUBLISHERS OF ANTI-SEMITIC and FASCIST MATERIAL.
Why do you financially support Rivero, a publisher of anti-semitic and fascist propaganda?
And why have you banned my IP address?
This is why you are so confused on the matter. On the one hand, you think corporations (BP in this example) are the evil and the government (the corp entity that established corporations – hence one in the same) is good. You can’t figure out that they are the same thing.
This is reflected in U.S. Code, Title 28 – JUDICIARY AND JUDICIAL PROCEDURE, (Chapter 176) Section 3002 (15); which states that ~
(15) “United States” means—
(A) a Federal corporation;
So you either hate the gov/corp or you support it. You can’t have it both ways.
You are a very confused person. Your anger makes it obvious.
A few days ago, disinter published this anti-semitic screed:
5) Throughout history the Jews have used their religion (both Hebrew and Christian) to influence the mass of people in order to control them.
disinter even resorted to posting the quotes of one Nesta Webster to justify such antisemitism.
Nesta Webster was a member of the british union of fascists.
So……we have direct, incontrovertible evidence of disinter psoitively endorsing the claims of genuine fascists. Even as disinter tries to impugn social democracy as “fascist”.
everyone else is fascist right, disinter – just not you? Even though it is you whom finds fascist Nesta Webster an inspiration, whilst no-one else here does.
So – why do you use fascist Nesta Webster’s quotes in an article you published if you’re so aware of what fascism is?
why do you positively post the sentiments of a genuine fascist in support of anti-semitism if you are such an anti-fascist?
Simple question – do you support the fascist Nesta Webster’s views on jews or not? [YOU PUBLISHED THEM]
“Anti-semite! Anti-semite! Everyone is an anti-semite that disagrees with me!” – Your local statist shill
The truth that your refer to is here:
http://disinter.wordpress.com/2010/05/25/cosmic-jewish-zombie/
I hope others will go read it to expose your hysteria.
Well, we shall have to accept that disinter is SILENT on his reasons for supporting anti-semitism — SILENT on why he posts the FASCIST Nesta Webster in support of anti-semitism – SILENT on why he financially and otherwise supports anti-semitic and fascist propaganda of Mike Rivero’s WhatReallyHappened.com
For all your anti-semitism hysteria, I refer you here:
http://disinter.wordpress.com/2009/02/09/myth-of-anti-semitism/
@someonesomewhere.
It’s interesting how you continue to find contradictory “logic” in disinter’s links and even in his own writings. I now realize that the two or three I picked up on were simply low hanging fruit it what turns out to be a very productive orchard (although I still hold that linking to an article which ultimately contradicts your own argument, as in the original post, is true comedy gold).
Initially I thought you were being a little mean by continuing to beat the “anti-semitism” drum, but after reading the link disinter himself posted to this:
“A myth used in conjunction with the “6 million jews” holocaust hoax that led to the rebirth of Khazaria in 1948. Convenient cause and effect.”
I’ve decided you’ve actually been too easy on our host. Holocaust denial pushes this guy over the edge of “cranky Libertarian” into full blown kook territory. Anyone who espouses that kind of dangerous nuttiness is not a serious person.
The HOLOCAUST for Dummies
http://globalfire.tv/nj/06en/jews/holofordummies.htm
An excerpt:
1. In 1939, there were nearly 15,700,000 Jews in the world. (1) After the Second World War that number had risen to over 18,000,000 Jews. (2) What this means is that of the 15,000,000 original Jews on the planet, 6,000,000 were gassed, leaving only some 9,000,000-plus. Then, the world Jewish population rebounded and doubled to over 18,000,000 in less than nine years—an astronomical feat, which astounded biologists and baby doctors everywhere!
2. From the Beginning, there was the SIX MILLION, of which 4,000,000 were gassed at Auschwitz. Then, in 1990 it was discovered that only 1.5 million were gassed at Auschwitz, a difference of 2.5 million less. But somehow the magical SIX MILLION remained, even though no instant replacement was ever found. YHWH moves in mysterious ways!
3. At the same time, the director of the Auschwitz State Museum Dr. Franciszek Piper, announced that the so-called gas chamber there had been fabricated by the Soviets AFTER the war!
“The real threat posed by “deniers” is that others might be influenced to undertake serious study and uncover embarrassing facts that would refute Israel’s “victim” status.”
http://www.countercurrents.org/davis060609.htm
@disinter
““Anti-semite! Anti-semite! Everyone is an anti-semite that disagrees with me!” – Your local statist shill”
Since I haven’t expressed any opinions about Jews, Judaism or the legitimacy (or lack thereof) of the State of Israel, you really don’t know whether we disagree about that.
What we DO disagree about is the “Holocaust hoax.” By any sane definition, anyone who buys into that is an anti-Semite. And a nut.
Yes, we definitely do disagree about that.
http://disinter.wordpress.com/2009/06/07/holocaust-blotter/
Man this argument is sort of all over the place. Adding my two cents to see if we can all see that we sort of agree.
As a corporate entity, BP certainly should be regulated by the “parent” that gave it birth: government. Unfortunately for us, that regulation will come in the form of bullshit that will do nothing to protect from this sort of disaster in the future. Remember, that industry was “regulated” by the government (and immunized from paying REAL damages) in all the previous disasters.
There is ONLY one thing the gov can do right in this situation: Revoke the privilege to do business in the Gulf of ALL the negligent parties. But that won’t happen and you know why? It’s all one big orgy of other special (read: NOT YOURS) interests out there. Yes indeed the government those businesses are in bed together and that’s got NADA to do with a free market. Government abdicated its responsibility long ago- the only place its regulations should be enforced is on corporations it has chartered and those very corps. are its lifeblood today. (And fuck a string of idiots in history- republican, democrat or libertarian- who blurred the distinction between corporations and free markets; it seems that nobody anymore knows that they are different.)
The latest fiasco off the coast of my home state’s shores will cost yet unimaginable damage to wildlife, non-corporate fishermen who fish for food, income or sport (think the Tarpon Rodeo’s going to happen this July?), the taxpayer and young child (future taxpayer) who looks forward to being at the family camp during the summers. The leak is a nightmare but the Gulf will correct itself. (Whether or not Mother Earth allows humanity to swim in it again is another story.)
You want to fix the problem? Advocate for a return to the free market for businesses that operate outside of government privilege (i.e. the Mom & Pop coffee shop down the street) and strict regulation on those corporations “who” operate because of government privilege- you know the businesses that the government allowed to pollute the Gulf.
Interesting reading if you’re up to it:
http://www.citizenworks.org/corp/dg/s2r1.pdf
[...] how 1 million barrels of oil can naturally seep into the ocean each year and life mysteriously goes [...]
54 comments, mostly not about natural oil seepage or toxic dispersants. Oh well…
Image of the Day – Natural Oil Seepage in the Gulf of Mexico:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=36873
Chemosynthetic autotrophs consume oil in the Gulf of Mexico, quote:
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It is NOT widely known that the Gulf of Mexico is home to some remarkable deep-sea animals that are usually associated with geological features in the major ocean basins. These animals literally eat dissolved gasses!
http://www.gomr.mms.gov/homepg/regulate/environ/chemo/chemo.html
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Creatures that evolved to thrive on hydrocarbons—just like us!
And here Rachel Maddow, perhaps not intending to counter hysteria, shows how a previous blowout disaster in the Gulf didn’t bring the world to an end:
I agree that this latest fiasco off the shores of Louisiana is going to cost individuals enormous sums of money and livelyhood in relation to the spill, but, to elaborate further on this it’s truly a policy issue which is enforced by, not only our government, but by union forces that will exacerbate (as it already has) it even more:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=166265